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The British Service Records and Navy Lists pay scant attention to individual submarines, as regard their commanders.  Often, a given submarine commander is listed in a Navy List as being appointed to a submarine depot ship "for command of submarines", with the specific sub being omitted.  This invites the interpretation that the submarines may have, in some cases, been treated as taxi cabs within a fleet.
The British Service Records and Navy Lists pay scant attention to individual submarines, as regard their commanders.  This disregard is most keenly apparent in the earliest days of the type.  Often, a given submarine commander is listed in a Navy List as being appointed to a submarine depot ship "for command of submarines", with the specific sub (or subs) being omitted.  This invites the interpretation that the submarines may have, in some cases, been treated as taxi cabs within a fleet.
 
==Deployment of Submarines==
The British submarines started with a set of five numbered Holland-type boats designed in the United States which entered service in 1903.  These were perhaps mostly experimental articles, but were soon followed by a series of gradually-improving coastal designs armed with 18-in torpedoes: thirteen [["A" Class Submarine (1902)|"A" class]], eleven [["B" Class Submarine (1904)|"B" class]] and, by 1906, thirty-eight [["C" Class Submarine (1906)|"C" class]].  Formal use of these submarines as a war-fighting resource seemed slightly slower – it is not until 1905 that the ''Navy List'' shows the creation of two small flotillas based in [[Portsmouth Submarine Flotilla|Portsmouth]] and [[Devonport Submarine Flotilla|Devonport]].
 
This organisation, of just two point-defence bases, would persist until around 1912, by which time the fleet had over fifty submarines commissioned, and had fielded the first eight "patrol" type submarines of the [["D" Class Submarine (1908)|"D" class]].  The two existing flotillas were now joined by six new formations, and all were given numbers.
 
==In Command of the Service==
The man in charge of the Royal Navy's submarine forces was designated the '''Chief of the Submarine Service''' in 1921.  In 1929, this evolved to become '''Rear Admiral, Submarines''' or '''Rear Admiral (S)'''.
 
Dates of appointment given:
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{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Douglas Lionel Dent|nick=Douglas L. Dent|appt=24 July, 1919|end=1 November, 1921|as=Chief of the Submarine Service|note=recorded in his record as "Deputy Chief of Naval Staff"|precBy=New Command}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Hugh Francis Paget Sinclair|nick=Hugh F. P. Sinclair|appt=25 August, 1921|end=1 September, 1923|ass=25 August, 1921|as=Chief of the Submarine Service}}
{{Tenure|rank={{ViceRN}}|name=Wilmot Stuart Nicholson|nick=Wilmot S. Nicholson|appt=1 September, 1923|end=1 September, 1925|as=Chief of the Submarine Service}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Vernon Harry Stuart Haggard|nick=Vernon H. S. Haggard|appt=1 September, 1925|end=1 September, 1927|as=Chief of the Submarine Service}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Henry Edgar Grace|nick=Henry E. Grace|appt=1 September, 1927|end=2 September, 1929}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Martin Eric Dunbar-Nasmith|nick=Martin E. Nasmith|appt=2 September, 1929<ref>Dunbar-Nasmith Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/48/178.|D7604082}} f. 583.</ref>|ass=2 September, 1929<ref>Dunbar-Nasmith Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/48/178.|D7604082}} f. 583.</ref>|end=2 September, 1931<ref>Dunbar-Nasmith Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/48/178.|D7604082}} f. 583.</ref>|note=Henceforth, command renamed Rear-Admiral (S)}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Charles James Colebrooke Little|nick=Charles J. C. Little|appt=2 September, 1931<ref>Little Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/95.|D7603802}} f. 300.</ref>|end=10 December, 1932<ref>Little Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/95.|D7603802}} f. 300.</ref>}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Noel Frank Laurence|nick=Noel F. Laurence|appt=10 December, 1932<ref>Laurence Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/48/175.|D7576654}} f. 579.</ref>|end=10 December, 1934<ref>Laurence Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/48/175.|D7576654}} f. 579.</ref>}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Cecil Ponsonby Talbot|nick=Cecil P. Talbot|appt=10 December, 1934{{NLOct35|p. 231}}|end=10 December, 1936}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Robert Henry Taunton Raikes|nick=Robert H. T. Raikes|appt=10 December, 1936<ref>Raikes Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/50/94.|D7604506}} ff. 220, 221.</ref>|end=15 December, 1938<ref>Raikes Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/50/94.|D7604506}} ff. 220, 221.</ref>}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Bertram Chalmers Watson|nick=Bertram C. Watson|appt=15 December, 1938|end=18 January, 1940}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Max Kennedy Horton|nick=Sir Max Horton|appt=9 January, 1940|end=17 November, 1942}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Claud Barrington Barry|nick=Claud B. Barry|appt=9 November, 1942|end=1944}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=George Elvey Creasy|nick=George E. Creasy|appt=1944|end=31 October, 1946<ref>Mansfield Service Record. {{TNA|ADM 196/56/567.|}} f. 56.</ref>|as=Flag Officer, Submarines|note=Henceforth, command renamed Flag Officer, Submarines}}
{{Tenure|rank={{ViceRN}}|name=John Maurice Mansfield|nick=Sir John M. Mansfield|appt=31 October, 1946<ref>Mansfield Service Record. {{TNA|ADM 196/56/567.|}} f. 56.</ref>|end=8 April, 1948<ref>Mansfield Service Record. {{TNA|ADM 196/56/567.|}} f. 56.</ref>|as=Flag Officer, Submarines|note=left sick at end}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Guy Grantham|nick=Guy Grantham|appt=8 April, 1948{{INF}}|end=1950|as=Flag Officer, Submarines}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=Sydney Moffat Raw|nick=Sydney M. Raw|appt=20 January, 1950|end=January 1952|as=Flag Officer, Submarines}}
{{Tenure|rank={{RearRN}}|name=George Walter Gillow Simpson|nick=George W. G. Simpson|appt=January, 1952|end=|as=Flag Officer, Submarines}}
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==See Also==
{{refbegin}}
{{WP|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_Admiral_Submarines}}
* [https://rnsubs.co.uk/ RN Subs website]
{{refend}}
 
==Footnotes==
{{reflist}}
 
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The British Service Records and Navy Lists pay scant attention to individual submarines, as regard their commanders. This disregard is most keenly apparent in the earliest days of the type. Often, a given submarine commander is listed in a Navy List as being appointed to a submarine depot ship "for command of submarines", with the specific sub (or subs) being omitted. This invites the interpretation that the submarines may have, in some cases, been treated as taxi cabs within a fleet.

Deployment of Submarines

The British submarines started with a set of five numbered Holland-type boats designed in the United States which entered service in 1903. These were perhaps mostly experimental articles, but were soon followed by a series of gradually-improving coastal designs armed with 18-in torpedoes: thirteen "A" class, eleven "B" class and, by 1906, thirty-eight "C" class. Formal use of these submarines as a war-fighting resource seemed slightly slower – it is not until 1905 that the Navy List shows the creation of two small flotillas based in Portsmouth and Devonport.

This organisation, of just two point-defence bases, would persist until around 1912, by which time the fleet had over fifty submarines commissioned, and had fielded the first eight "patrol" type submarines of the "D" class. The two existing flotillas were now joined by six new formations, and all were given numbers.

In Command of the Service

The man in charge of the Royal Navy's submarine forces was designated the Chief of the Submarine Service in 1921. In 1929, this evolved to become Rear Admiral, Submarines or Rear Admiral (S).

Dates of appointment given:

See Also

Footnotes

  1. ↑ Dunbar-Nasmith Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/48/178. f. 583.
  2. ↑ Dunbar-Nasmith Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/48/178. f. 583.
  3. ↑ Little Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/95. f. 300.
  4. ↑ Little Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/95. f. 300.
  5. ↑ Laurence Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/48/175. f. 579.
  6. ↑ Laurence Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/48/175. f. 579.
  7. ↑ The Navy List. (October, 1935). p. 231.
  8. ↑ Raikes Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/50/94. ff. 220, 221.
  9. ↑ Raikes Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/50/94. ff. 220, 221.
  10. ↑ Mansfield Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/56/567. f. 56.
  11. ↑ Mansfield Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/56/567. f. 56.
  12. ↑ Mansfield Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/56/567. f. 56.

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