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The '''Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel''', until 1904 '''Second Naval Lord''', and between 1904 and 1917 '''Second Sea Lord''', was the member of the [[Board of Admiralty]] responsible for the personnel of the British [[Royal Navy]].  He was in charge of manning the ships, and training and educating the men.
  
The '''Second Sea Lord''' was the naval member of the [[Board of Admiralty]] responsible for the manpower of the [[Royal Navy]].  He was in charge of manning the ships, and training and educating the men.  He was responsible for the Reserves and before the creation of the [[Naval War Staff]] he was the officer in charge of mobilisation.
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==History==
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The Second Naval Lord was historically the second-most senior naval officer on the [[Board of Admiralty]].  The position was abolished by Hugh Childers upon his becoming [[First Lord of the Admiralty]] in December, 1868, and Rear-Admiral George Seymour, a previous Third Naval Lord, was appointed to assist the First Naval Lord with his increased workloadIn January, 1869, Captain George Willes succeeded Seymour and was appointed as "Chief of the Staff," with the same pay as the Junior Naval Lord, and the task of superintending the Coastguard, Royal Naval Reserve, and the manning of the Fleet.<ref>''The Naval Staff of the Admiralty''.  [''Naval Staff''.]  pp. 11-12.</ref>  By [[Order in Council of 14 January, 1869]], the position of Second Naval Lord officially ceased to exist and his duties were nominally given to the First Naval Lord, assisted by the Junior Naval Lord.  The other Naval Lords were also given an increase in pay.<ref>Hamilton.  pp. 189-190.</ref>
  
==Second Naval Lords, 1885&ndash;1904==
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The office of Second Naval Lord was re-established on 19 April, 1872, by Order in Council of 19 March of that year.  His salary was fixed at &pound;1,200 a year.  His duties were not specified as part of the distribution of Admiralty business.<ref>Hamilton.  p. 192.</ref>
  
*[[Anthony Hiley Hoskins|Sir Anthony Hoskins]] 1885&ndash;1889
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<blockquote>The First Naval Lord, the Second Naval Lord, and the Junior Naval Lord to be responsible to the First Lord of the Admiralty for the Administration of so much business relating to the "Personnel" of the Navy, and to the movement and condition of your Majesty's Fleet, as shall be assigned them, from time to time, by the First Lord.<ref>Quoted in Hamilton.  p. 192.</ref></blockquote>
*[[Henry Fairfax|Sir Henry Fairfax]] 1889&ndash;1892
 
*[[Frederick William Richards|Sir Frederick William Richards]] 1892&ndash;1893
 
*[[Lord Walter Talbot Kerr|Lord Walter Kerr]] 1893&ndash;1895
 
*[[Frederick George Denham Bedford|Sir Frederick Bedford]] 1895&ndash;1899
 
*[[Lord Walter Talbot Kerr|Lord Walter Kerr]] 1899
 
*[[Archibald Lucius Douglas]] 1899&ndash;1902
 
*[[John Arbuthnot Fisher, 1st Baron Fisher]] 1902&ndash;1903
 
*[[Charles Carter Drury|Sir Charles Carter Drury]] 1903&ndash;1907
 
  
==Second Sea Lords, 1904&ndash;1927==
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On 4 March, 1903, the First Lord decided that "on 1 Jan<sup>y</sup> 1904 the whole of the Personnel shall be under the Second Naval Lord".<ref>Docket "Distribution of Business." {{TNA|ADM 1/7662.}}</ref>
  
*[[William Henry May|Sir William May]] 1907&ndash;1909
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By Order in Council of 21 December, 1906, the emoluments of the Second Sea Lord were raised from &pound;1,000 a year to &pound;1,500 a year, in addition to Naval Half Pay.<ref>Order in Council of 21 December, 1906.</ref>
*[[Francis Charles Bridgeman Bridgeman|Sir Francis Bridgeman]] 1909&ndash;1911
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*[[Charles Le Clerc Egerton|Sir Charles Le Clerc Egerton]] 1911
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By Order-in-Council of 23 October, 1917, the Second Sea Lord's title was altered to '''Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel'''.<ref>Order in Council of 23 October, 1917.</ref>
*[[Louis Alexander Mountbatten, First Marquess of Milford Haven]] 1911&ndash;1912
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*[[John Rushworth Jellicoe, First Earl Jellicoe]] 1912&ndash;1914
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==Staff==
*[[Frederick Tower Hamilton]] 1914&ndash;1916
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Immediately prior to the Great War the Second Sea Lord's office consisted of a Naval Assistant, a Commander, and a Fleet Paymaster.<ref>''Navy Estimates for the Year 1914&ndash;1915''.  p. 146.</ref>
*[[Somerset Arthur Gough-Calthorpe]] 1916
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*[[Cecil Burney, First Baronet|Sir Cecil Burney]] 1916&ndash;1917
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==Duties==
*[[Rosslyn Erskine Wemyss, 1st Baron Wester Wemyss]] 1917
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*[[Herbert Leopold Heath|Sir Herbert Heath]] 1917&ndash;1919
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! 21 June, 1844.<ref>"Precis of the Division & General Mode of Conducting the Business of the Admiralty at Whitehall."  Dated 21 June, 1844.  {{TNA|ADM 1/5543.}}.</ref>
*[[Montague Edward Browning|Sir Montagu Browning]] 1919&ndash;1920
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|-
*[[Henry Francis Oliver|Sir Henry Oliver]] 1920&ndash;1924
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| The 2<sup>nd</sup> Sea Lord directs all appointments of Lieutenants, Masters, Pursers, Mates, Mid<sup>n</sup> &c.  Superintends the Excellent, Gunnery Ship (under the orders of Captain Chads) as well as Scientific Education of the Officers attached to that Establishment.<br>All matters related to Naval Artillery are referred to him for his opinion & report.<br>The Marine Corps & R<sup>l</sup> Marine Artillery, the Seamen Gunners, & Marine Cadets, are placed under his especial control.<br>He superintends the Department of the Deputy Adjutant General of the Royal Marines under Colonel Owen.
*[[Michael Culme-Seymour, Fourth Baronet|Sir Michael Culme Seymour, 3rd Bt.]] 1924&ndash;1925
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|}
*[[Hubert George Brand|Sir Hubert Brand]] 1925&ndash;1927
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{| class="collapsible wikitable collapsed" style="width: 50%"
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! 1861.<ref>"Appendix No. 1.  Distribution of Duties."  ''Report of the Select Committee on the Board of Admiralty'' (1861).  p. 639.</ref>
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| Appointment of Officers under the rank of Commander (exclusive of Lieutenants in Command), Lieutenants, Masters, Masters' Assistants, Mates, Midshipmen, Naval Cadets, Warrant Officers.
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| Punishments and Returns.
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|-
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| Gunnery and returns, Appointment of Gunnery Officers.
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|-
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| Courts Martial and Courts of Inquiry.
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|-
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| Prize and Admiralty Courts.
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|-
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| Marines and Marine Artillery.
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|-
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| Dockyard Battalions.
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|-
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| Pirates, Head Money.
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| Salvage.
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|-
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| Collisions at Sea.
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|-
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| Royal Naval College.
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|}
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{| class="collapsible wikitable collapsed" style="width: 50%"
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! December, 1872.<ref>{{TNA|ADM 1/6313.}}</ref>
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|-
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| 1.&mdash;Manning of the Fleet.
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|-
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| 2.&mdash;Coast Guard, except Buildings.
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|-
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| 3.&mdash;Royal Naval Reserve.
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|-
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| 4.&mdash;Royal Naval Coast Volunteers.
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|-
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| 5.&mdash;Pensioners&mdash;when called out.
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|-
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| 6.&mdash;Naval College, Greenwich.
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|-
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| 7.&mdash;Greenwich Hospital&mdash;as regards Officers and Men.
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|-
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| 8.&mdash;Removals of "R."
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|-
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| 9.&mdash;Good Conduct medals.
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| 10.&mdash;Pensions.
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|-
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| 11.&mdash;Appointments of<br>Lieutenants, except to Commands.<br>Sub-Lieutenants.<br>Midshipmen.<br>Cadets.<br>Navigating Officers&mdash;except to Commands.<br>Gunners and Boatswains.
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|}
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{| class="collapsible wikitable collapsed" style="width: 50%"
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! April, 1875.<ref>{{TNA|ADM 1/6313.}}</ref>
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|-
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| 1.&mdash;Manning of the Fleet, and Training Establishments.
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|-
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| 2.&mdash;Coast Guard, except Buildings.
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|-
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| 3.&mdash;Royal Naval Reserve.
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|-
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| 4.&mdash;Royal Naval Coast Volunteers.
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|-
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| 5.&mdash;Pensioners&mdash;when called out.
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|-
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| 6.&mdash;Naval Colleges.
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| 7.&mdash;Greenwich Hospital&mdash;as regards Officers and Men.
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| 8.&mdash;Removals of "R."
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|-
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| 9.&mdash;Good Conduct medals.
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| 10.&mdash;[[Royal Humane Society]]'s Medals.
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| 11.&mdash;War Medals.
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|-
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| 12.&mdash;Pensions.
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| 13.&mdash;Appointments of<br>Lieutenants, except to Commands.<br>Sub-Lieutenants.<br>Midshipmen.<br>Cadets.<br>Navigating Officers&mdash;except to Commands.<br>Gunners and Boatswains.
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|}
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{| class="collapsible wikitable collapsed" style="width: 50%"
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! 1 January, 1904.<ref>''Statement Showing Present Distribution of Business Between the Various Members of the Board of Admiralty, Dated 20th October 1904; and that which it Superseded, Dated 1st January, 1904''. Cd. 2417. p. 4.</ref>
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| 1. Manning of the Fleet.
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| 2. Mobilisation of the Fleet and of Reserves so far as relates to ''personnel''.
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| 3. Appointments of&mdash;<br>Lieutenants, except to Commands.<br>Sub-Lieutenants.<br>Midshipmen and Naval Cadets.<br>Navigating Officers&mdash;except to Commands.<br>Engineer Officers.<br>Chaplains and Naval Instructors.<br>Medical Officers.<br>Paymasters.<br>Assistant Paymasters, Clerks and Assistant Clerkes.<br>Chief and other Warrant Officers.<br>And General Questions connected with the Staff the above.
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| 4. *Royal Marine Light Infantry and Royal Marine Artillery.
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| 5. Medical Service afloat and on shore, Nursing Staff.
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| 6. Fleet Reserve&mdash;as regards Officers and Men.
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| 7. Training Establishments.
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| 8. Naval Colleges.
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| 9. Education and Training of Officers, Men, and Boys of the Royal Navy and Royal Marines.
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| 10. Coastguard, except Buildings.
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| 11. Royal Naval Reserve.
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| 12. Royal Naval Volunteers.
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| 13. Interpreters.
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| 14. Medals.
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| 15. Deserters.
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|-
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| 16. Character Conduct, and Badge Questions.
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| 17. Naval Prisons.
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| 18. Minor Collisions.
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| * Promotion of Royal Marine Officers (other than "routine") will be marked to the First Naval Lord also as well as to the First Lord.
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{| class="collapsible wikitable collapsed" style="width: 50%"
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! 20 October, 1904.<ref>''Statement Showing Present Distribution of Business Between the Various Members of the Board of Admiralty, Dated 20th October 1904; and that which it Superseded, Dated 1st January, 1904''. Cd. 2417. p. 4.</ref>
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| 1. Manning and Training of the Fleet, which includes Complements, Barracks, Training and Educational Establishments; also all Mobilization Regulations for the ''Personnel''.
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| 2. Service and Appointments of Officers of all Branches (except as reserved to First Lord).
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| 3. Royal Marines.
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| 4. Coastguard and Reserve Forces.
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| 5. Hospitals.
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| 6. Discipline.
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| 7. Signals.
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| N<small>OTE</small>.&mdash;Questions of Importance relating to Discipline to be invariably marked also to First Sea Lord.
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! June, 1917.<ref>"The Board of Admiralty.  Distribution of Business."  Greene Papers.  National Maritime Museum.  GEE/2.</ref>
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| Manning* and Training of the Fleet; Complements of Ships and Establishments; Barracks, Training, and Educational Establishments, with their Complements; also all Mobilisation Regulations for the Personnel.
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| Service and Appointments of Officers of all Branches, including Auxiliary Patrol (except as reserve to ''First Lord'').
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| Royal Marines.
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| Coastguard and Reserve Forces.
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| Hospitals.
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| Discipline.
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| N<small>OTE</small>.  In regard to Personnel and Training of R.N. Air Service, see under ''Fifth Sea Lord''.
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|<nowiki>*</nowiki>Manning means Recruiting the numbers authorised by Parliament.
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==Second Naval Lords/Second Sea Lords==
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Dates of appointment given in all instances:
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{{Tenure|rank={{ViceRN}}|name=John Walter Tarleton|nick=Sir John W. Tarleton|appt=6 May, 1872|as=Second Naval Lord|precBy=Vacant}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{ViceRN}}|name=Geoffrey Thomas Phipps Hornby|nick=Geoffrey T. P. Hornby|appt=1 January, 1875|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{ViceRN}}|name=Arthur William Acland Hood, First Baron Hood|nick=Arthur W. A. Hood|appt=15 January, 1877{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Rear-Admiral|name=Richard James Meade, Fourth Earl of Clanwilliam|nick=Richard J. Meade|appt=6 December, 1879{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|end=12 May, 1880|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{ViceRN}}|name=John Hay|nick=The Rt. Hon. Lord John Hay|appt=13 May, 1880{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Frederick Beauchamp Paget Seymour, First Baron Alcester|nick=The Rt. Hon. Lord Alcester|appt=6 March, 1883{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Anthony Hiley Hoskins|nick=Sir Anthony H. Hoskins|appt=2 July, 1885{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}<ref>Hoskins Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/36/1846.|}} f. 634.</ref>|end=28 December, 1888<ref>Hoskins Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/36/1846.|}} f. 634.</ref>|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Admiral|name=Richard Vesey Hamilton|nick=Sir R. Vesey Hamilton|appt=31 December, 1888{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{ViceRN}}|name=Henry Fairfax|nick=Henry Fairfax|appt=26 October, 1889{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Naval Lord|end=9 May, 1892<ref>Fairfax Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/14.|}} f. 721.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Admiral|name=Frederick William Richards|nick=Sir Frederick W. Richards|appt=23 May, 1892{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Walter Talbot Kerr|nick=The Rt. Hon. Lord Walter Kerr|appt=1 November, 1893{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Frederick George Denham Bedford|nick=Sir Frederick G. D. Bedford|appt=27 May, 1895{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Naval Lord|end=3 May, 1899<ref>Bedford Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/14.}} f. 824</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Walter Talbot Kerr|nick=The Rt. Hon. Lord Walter Kerr|appt=1 May, 1899{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Archibald Lucius Douglas|nick=Archibald L. Douglas|appt=18 August, 1899{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119.  14 August given here}}<ref>Douglas Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/36.}}  f. 337.</ref>|end=5 June, 1902<ref>Douglas Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/36.}}  f. 337.</ref>|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Admiral|name=John Arbuthnot Fisher, First Baron Fisher|nick=Sir John A. Fisher|appt=10 June, 1902<ref>Fisher Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/36.}}  f. 455.</ref>|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Charles Carter Drury|nick=Sir Charles C. Drury|appt=31 July, 1903{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Naval Lord}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Admiral|name=William Henry May|nick=Sir William H. May|appt=20 March, 1907{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Francis Charles Bridgeman Bridgeman|nick=Sir Francis C. B. Bridgeman|appt=25 March, 1909{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|end=25 March, 1911<ref>Bridgeman Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/39.}}  f. 167.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=George Le Clerc Egerton|nick=Sir George Le C. Egerton|appt=25 March, 1911{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Louis Alexander Mountbatten, First Marquess of Milford Haven|nick=H.S.H. Prince Louis of Battenberg|appt=5 December, 1911{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=John Rushworth Jellicoe, First Earl Jellicoe|nick=Sir John R. Jellicoe|appt=9 December, 1912{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|end=1 August, 1914<ref>Jellicoe Service Record. {{TNA|ADM 196/38.}} f. 693.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Frederick Tower Hamilton|nick=Sir Frederick T. Hamilton|appt=31 July, 1914{{UKNavalStaff|p. 125}}<ref>Hamilton Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/19.}} f. 335.</ref>|end=30 June, 1916<ref>Hamilton Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/19.}} f. 335.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Acting Vice-Admiral|name=Somerset Arthur Gough-Calthorpe|nick=The Hon. Sir Somerset A. Gough-Calthorpe|appt=30 June, 1916{{UKNavalStaff|p. 125}}|end=4 December, 1916<ref>Gough-Calthorpe Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.}} f. 130/264.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Admiral|name=Cecil Burney, First Baronet|nick=Sir Cecil Burney|appt=4 December, 1916<ref>Burney Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/38.|D7578793}} f. 180.</ref>{{UKNavalStaff|p. 125}}|end=6 September, 1917<ref>Burney Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/38.|D7578793}} f. 180.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Rosslyn Erskine Wemyss, First Baron Wester Wemyss|nick=Sir Rosslyn E. Wemyss|appt=6 September, 1917{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|end=}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Herbert Leopold Heath|nick=Sir Herbert L. Heath|appt=27 September, 1917{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}<ref>Heath Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.}}  f. 200.</ref>|end=30 March, 1919<ref>Heath Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.}}  f. 200.</ref>|as=Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Admiral|name=Montague Edward Browning|nick=Sir Montague E. Browning|appt=31 March, 1919{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Admiral|name=Henry Francis Oliver|nick=Sir Henry F. Oliver|appt=30 September, 1920{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}<ref>Oliver Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.}}  f. 187.</ref>|end=15 August, 1924<ref>Oliver Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.}}  f. 187.</ref>|as=Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Michael Culme-Seymour, Fourth Baronet|nick=Sir Michael Culme-Seymour, Bart.|appt=15 August, 1924{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}<ref>Culme-Seymour Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.|}}  f. 217.</ref>|end=2 April, 1925<ref>Culme-Seymour Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.|}}  f. 217.</ref>|as=Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel|note=died while in this post}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Hubert George Brand|nick=The Hon. Sir Hubert G. Brand|appt=22 April, 1925{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Vice-Admiral|name=Michael Henry Hodges|nick=Sir Michael H. Hodges|appt=16 August, 1927{{UKNavalStaff|p. 119}}|as=Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Hubert George Brand|nick=Sir Hubert G. Brand|appt=1927}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Cyril Thomas Moulden Fuller|nick=Sir Cyril T. M. Fuller|appt=26 May, 1930<ref>Fuller Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.}}  f. 215.</ref>|end=31 August, 1932<ref>Fuller Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.}}  f. 215.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Alfred Dudley Pickman Rogers Pound|nick=Sir Alfred D. P. R. Pound|appt=31 August, 1932<ref>Pound Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/44.}}  f. 294.</ref>|ass=1 September, 1932<ref>Superseded his predecessor on 31 August.  Fuller Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.}}  f. 215.</ref>|end=30 September, 1935<ref>Pound Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/44.}}  f. 294.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Martin Eric Dunbar-Nasmith|nick=Sir Martin E. Dunbar-Nasmith|appt=2 September, 1935<ref>Dunbar-Nasmith Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/90/89.|D8115817}} f. 89.</ref>|end=30 September, 1938<ref>Dunbar-Nasmith Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/48/178.|D7604082}} f. 583.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Admiral|name=Charles James Colebrooke Little|nick=Sir Charles J. C. Little|appt=2 September, 1938<ref>Little Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/95.|D7603802}} f. 300.</ref>|end=1 June, 1941<ref>Little Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/47/95.|D7603802}} f. 300.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=William Jock Whitworth|nick=Sir William J. Whitworth|appt=1 June, 1941<ref>Whitworth Service Record. {{TNA|ADM 196/49/232.|D7576669}} f. 224.</ref>|end=31 December, 1943<ref>Whitworth Service Record. {{TNA|ADM 196/49/232.|D7576669}} f. 224.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Algernon Usborne Willis|nick=Sir Algernon U. Willis|appt=1944|end=February, 1946}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Arthur John Power|nick=Sir Arthur J. Power|appt=February, 1946|end=March, 1948}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Cecil Halliday Jepson Harcourt|nick=Sir Cecil H. J. Harcourt|appt=March, 1948|end=1950}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Alexander Cumming Gordon Madden|nick=Sir Alexander C. G. Madden|appt=September, 1950<ref>Madden Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/117/91.|}}  f. 91.</ref>|end=1 September, 1953<ref>Madden Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/117/91.|}}  f. 91.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Guy Herbrand Edward Russell|nick=Sir Guy H. E. Russell|appt=24 April, 1953<ref>Russell Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/120/171.|}} f. 171.</ref>|end=October, 1955<ref>Russell Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/120/171.|}} f. 171.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Charles Edward Lambe|nick=Charles E. Lambe|appt=1955|end=1957}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{ViceRN}}|name=Douglas Eric Holland-Martin|nick=Sir Douglas E. Holland-Martin|appt=1957|end=1959}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=St. John Reginald Joseph Tyrwhitt|nick=Sir St. John R. J. Tyrwhitt|appt=1959|end=1961}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Royston Hollis Wright|nick=Sir Royston H. Wright|appt=1961|end=1965}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Desmond Parry Dreyer|nick=Sir Desmond P. Dreyer|appt=1965|end=1967}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Peter John Hill-Norton|nick=Sir Peter J. Hill-Norton|appt=1967|end=1967}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{AdmRN}}|name=Frank Roddam Twiss|nick=Sir Frank R. Twiss|appt=1967|end=1970|succBy=Andrew MacKenzie Lewis}}
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==Naval Assistants to the Second Sea Lord==
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Robert Falcon Scott|nick=Robert F. Scott|appt=24 March, 1909<ref>Scott Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.}}  f. 501.</ref>|end=3 December, 1909<ref>Scott Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.}}  f. 501.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=William Osbert Boothby|nick=William O. Boothby|appt=3 December, 1909<ref>"Naval and Military Intelligence" (Official Appointments and Notices).  ''The Times''.  Saturday, 20 November, 1909.  Issue '''39122''', col D, p. 5.</ref><ref>Date corrected in Boothby Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.|D7602238}} f. 180.</ref>|end=25 March, 1911<ref>Boothby Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/42.|D7602238}} f. 180.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Cecil Foley Lambert|nick=Cecil F. Lambert|appt=25 March, 1911<ref>Lambert Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/20.}} f. 253/510.</ref>|end=30 July, 1912<ref>Lambert Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/20.}} f. 253/510.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Edward Montgomery Phillpotts|nick=Edward M. Phillpotts|appt=31 July, 1912<ref>Phillpotts Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.}}  f. 170.</ref>|end=22 February, 1915<ref>Phillpotts Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43}}.  f. 170.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Hubert George Brand|nick=Hubert G. Brand|appt=22 February, 1915<ref>Brand Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.}} f. 118.</ref>|end=29 June, 1916<ref>Brand Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.}} f. 118.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank=Captain|name=Henry Tritton Buller|nick=Henry T. Buller|appt=29 June, 1916<ref>Buller Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.|}}  f. 403.</ref>|end=April, 1918<ref>Buller Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.|}}  f. 403.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Herbert Meade|nick=The Hon. Herbert Meade|appt=April, 1918<ref>Meade Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/44.|}} f. 177.</ref><ref>Month inferred from Buller Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.|}}  f. 403.</ref>|end=April, 1919<ref>Meade Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/44.|}} f. 177.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Alexander Lowndes|nick=Alexander Lowndes|appt=30 March, 1919{{NLJan20|p. 1812}}<ref>Lowndes Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.}} f. 470.</ref>|end=30 September, 1920<ref>Lowndes Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/43.}} f. 470.</ref>|as=Naval Assistant to the Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Arthur John Davies|nick=Arthur J. Davies|appt=30 September, 1920<ref>Davies Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/44.}} f. 413.</ref>|end=18 August, 1922<ref>Davies Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/44.}} f. 413.</ref>|as=Naval Assistant to the Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Theodore John Hallett|nick=Theodore J. Hallett|appt=18 August, 1922<ref>Superseded his predecessor that date.  Davies Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/44.}} f. 413.</ref>|as=Naval Assistant to the Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Arthur Edward Frederick Bedford|nick=Arthur E. F. Bedford|appt=20 August, 1924|end=1 July, 1926|as=Naval Assistant to the Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Robin Campsie Dalglish|nick=Robin C. Dalglish|appt=1 July, 1926|end=25 June, 1928}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Fischer Burges Watson|nick=Fischer Burges Watson|appt=25 June, 1928|end=5 May, 1930}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=John Cronyn Tovey|nick=John C. Tovey|appt=5 May, 1930|end=29 March, 1932}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=George Frederick Basset Edward-Collins|nick=G. Frederick B. Edward-Collins|appt=29 March, 1932<ref>Edward-Collins Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/91.|}} f. 154.</ref>|end=6 January, 1935<ref>Edward-Collins Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/91.|}} f. 154.</ref>}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Henry Evelyn Charles Blagrove|nick=Henry E. C. Blagrove|appt=7 January, 1935|end=12 April, 1937}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=John Gregory Crace|nick=John G. Crace|appt=12 April, 1937|end=15 August, 1939}}
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{{Tenure|rank={{CaptRN}}|name=Claud Barrington Barry|nick=Claud B. Barry|appt=16 August, 1939<ref>Barry Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/53.|}} f. 150.</ref>|end=11 October, 1940<ref>Barry Service Record.  {{TNA|ADM 196/53.|}} f. 150.</ref>}}
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The Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel, until 1904 Second Naval Lord, and between 1904 and 1917 Second Sea Lord, was the member of the Board of Admiralty responsible for the personnel of the British Royal Navy. He was in charge of manning the ships, and training and educating the men.

History

The Second Naval Lord was historically the second-most senior naval officer on the Board of Admiralty. The position was abolished by Hugh Childers upon his becoming First Lord of the Admiralty in December, 1868, and Rear-Admiral George Seymour, a previous Third Naval Lord, was appointed to assist the First Naval Lord with his increased workload. In January, 1869, Captain George Willes succeeded Seymour and was appointed as "Chief of the Staff," with the same pay as the Junior Naval Lord, and the task of superintending the Coastguard, Royal Naval Reserve, and the manning of the Fleet.[1] By Order in Council of 14 January, 1869, the position of Second Naval Lord officially ceased to exist and his duties were nominally given to the First Naval Lord, assisted by the Junior Naval Lord. The other Naval Lords were also given an increase in pay.[2]

The office of Second Naval Lord was re-established on 19 April, 1872, by Order in Council of 19 March of that year. His salary was fixed at £1,200 a year. His duties were not specified as part of the distribution of Admiralty business.[3]

The First Naval Lord, the Second Naval Lord, and the Junior Naval Lord to be responsible to the First Lord of the Admiralty for the Administration of so much business relating to the "Personnel" of the Navy, and to the movement and condition of your Majesty's Fleet, as shall be assigned them, from time to time, by the First Lord.[4]

On 4 March, 1903, the First Lord decided that "on 1 Jany 1904 the whole of the Personnel shall be under the Second Naval Lord".[5]

By Order in Council of 21 December, 1906, the emoluments of the Second Sea Lord were raised from £1,000 a year to £1,500 a year, in addition to Naval Half Pay.[6]

By Order-in-Council of 23 October, 1917, the Second Sea Lord's title was altered to Second Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Personnel.[7]

Staff

Immediately prior to the Great War the Second Sea Lord's office consisted of a Naval Assistant, a Commander, and a Fleet Paymaster.[8]

Duties

Second Naval Lords/Second Sea Lords

Dates of appointment given in all instances:

Naval Assistants to the Second Sea Lord

See Also

Footnotes

  1. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. [Naval Staff.] pp. 11-12.
  2. Hamilton. pp. 189-190.
  3. Hamilton. p. 192.
  4. Quoted in Hamilton. p. 192.
  5. Docket "Distribution of Business." The National Archives. ADM 1/7662.
  6. Order in Council of 21 December, 1906.
  7. Order in Council of 23 October, 1917.
  8. Navy Estimates for the Year 1914–1915. p. 146.
  9. "Precis of the Division & General Mode of Conducting the Business of the Admiralty at Whitehall." Dated 21 June, 1844. The National Archives. ADM 1/5543..
  10. "Appendix No. 1. Distribution of Duties." Report of the Select Committee on the Board of Admiralty (1861). p. 639.
  11. The National Archives. ADM 1/6313.
  12. The National Archives. ADM 1/6313.
  13. Statement Showing Present Distribution of Business Between the Various Members of the Board of Admiralty, Dated 20th October 1904; and that which it Superseded, Dated 1st January, 1904. Cd. 2417. p. 4.
  14. Statement Showing Present Distribution of Business Between the Various Members of the Board of Admiralty, Dated 20th October 1904; and that which it Superseded, Dated 1st January, 1904. Cd. 2417. p. 4.
  15. "The Board of Admiralty. Distribution of Business." Greene Papers. National Maritime Museum. GEE/2.
  16. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  17. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  18. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  19. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  20. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  21. Hoskins Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/36/1846. f. 634.
  22. Hoskins Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/36/1846. f. 634.
  23. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  24. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  25. Fairfax Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/14. f. 721.
  26. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  27. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  28. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  29. Bedford Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/14. f. 824
  30. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  31. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119. 14 August given here.
  32. Douglas Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/36. f. 337.
  33. Douglas Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/36. f. 337.
  34. Fisher Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/36. f. 455.
  35. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  36. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  37. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  38. Bridgeman Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/39. f. 167.
  39. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  40. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  41. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  42. Jellicoe Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/38. f. 693.
  43. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 125.
  44. Hamilton Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/19. f. 335.
  45. Hamilton Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/19. f. 335.
  46. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 125.
  47. Gough-Calthorpe Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 130/264.
  48. Burney Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/38. f. 180.
  49. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 125.
  50. Burney Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/38. f. 180.
  51. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  52. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  53. Heath Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 200.
  54. Heath Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 200.
  55. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  56. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  57. Oliver Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 187.
  58. Oliver Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 187.
  59. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  60. Culme-Seymour Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 217.
  61. Culme-Seymour Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 217.
  62. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  63. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 119.
  64. Fuller Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 215.
  65. Fuller Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 215.
  66. Pound Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/44. f. 294.
  67. Pound Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/44. f. 294.
  68. Dunbar-Nasmith Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/90/89. f. 89.
  69. Dunbar-Nasmith Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/48/178. f. 583.
  70. Little Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/95. f. 300.
  71. Little Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/47/95. f. 300.
  72. Whitworth Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/49/232. f. 224.
  73. Whitworth Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/49/232. f. 224.
  74. Madden Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/117/91. f. 91.
  75. Madden Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/117/91. f. 91.
  76. Russell Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/120/171. f. 171.
  77. Russell Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/120/171. f. 171.
  78. Scott Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 501.
  79. Scott Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 501.
  80. "Naval and Military Intelligence" (Official Appointments and Notices). The Times. Saturday, 20 November, 1909. Issue 39122, col D, p. 5.
  81. Date corrected in Boothby Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 180.
  82. Boothby Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 180.
  83. Lambert Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/20. f. 253/510.
  84. Lambert Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/20. f. 253/510.
  85. Phillpotts Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 170.
  86. Phillpotts Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 170.
  87. Brand Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 118.
  88. Brand Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 118.
  89. Buller Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 403.
  90. Buller Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 403.
  91. Meade Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/44. f. 177.
  92. Month inferred from Buller Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 403.
  93. Meade Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/44. f. 177.
  94. The Navy List. (January, 1920). p. 1812.
  95. Lowndes Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 470.
  96. Lowndes Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 470.
  97. Davies Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/44. f. 413.
  98. Davies Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/44. f. 413.
  99. Superseded his predecessor that date. Davies Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/44. f. 413.
  100. Edward-Collins Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/91. f. 154.
  101. Edward-Collins Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/91. f. 154.
  102. Barry Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/53. f. 150.
  103. Barry Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/53. f. 150.

Bibliography

  • Naval Staff, Training and Staff Duties Division (1929). The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. Its Work and Development. B.R. 1845 (late C.B. 3013). Copy No. 8 at The National Archives. ADM 234/434.

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