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The nine [[Protected Cruiser|protected cruisers]] of the '''''Edgar'' Class''' were completed between 1893 and 1896.  They were occasionally referred to as the ''Crescent'' class.
The nine [[Protected Cruiser|protected cruisers]] of the '''''Edgar'' Class''' were completed between 1893 and 1896.  They were occasionally referred to as the '''''Crescent'' Class'''.


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! colspan=6 align=left|Overview of 9 vessels
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| colspan=6 align=left|<small>Citations for this data available on individual ship pages</small>
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! width=15%; align= center | Commissioned
! align=center | Name  
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! align=center | Builder  
|- valign="top"
! align=center | Laid Down  
| [[H.M.S. Crescent (1892)|''Crescent'']] || [[Portsmouth Royal Dockyard]] || 13 October, 1890 || 30 March, 1892 || 22 February, 1894 ||
! align=center | Launched  
|- valign="top"
! align=center | Completed
| [[H.M.S. Edgar (1890)|''Edgar'']] || [[Devonport Royal Dockyard]] || 3 June, 1889 || 24 November, 1890 || 2 March, 1893 ||
! align=center | Fate
|- valign="top"
|- align=left
| [[H.M.S. Endymion (1891)|''Endymion'']] || [[Earle]], Hull || 21 November, 1889 || 22 July, 1891 || 26 May, 1894 ||
| {{Template:UK-1Crescent}}
|- valign="top"
|[[Portsmouth Royal Dockyard]]
| [[H.M.S. Gibraltar (1892)|''Gibraltar'']] || [[Robert Napier and Sons|Napier]], Govan || 2 December, 1889 || 27 April, 1892 || 1 November, 1894 ||
|13 Oct, 1890
|- valign="top"
|30 Mar, 1892
| [[H.M.S. Grafton (1892)|''Grafton'']] || [[Thames Iron Works]] || 1 January, 1890 || 30 January, 1892 || 18 october, 1894 ||
|22 Feb, 1894
|- valign="top"
|Sold 22 Sep, 1921
| [[H.M.S. Hawke (1891)|''Hawke'']] || [[Chatham Royal Dockyard]] || 17 June, 1889 || 11 March, 1891 || 16 May, 1893 ||
|- align=left
|- valign="top"
| {{Template:UK-Edgar}}
| [[H.M.S. Royal Arthur (1891)|''Royal Arthur'']] || [[Portsmouth Royal Dockyard]] || 20 January, 1890 || 26 February, 1891 || 2 March, 1893 ||
|[[Devonport Royal Dockyard]]
|- valign="top"
|3 Jun, 1889
| [[H.M.S. St. George (1892)|''St. George'']] || [[Earle]], Hull || 23 April, 1890 || 23 June, 1892 || 25 October, 1894 ||
|24 Nov, 1890
|- valign="top"
|2 Mar, 1893
| [[H.M.S. Theseus (1892)|''Theseus'']] || [[Thames Iron Works]] || 16 July, 1890 || 8 September, 1892 || 14 January, 1896 ||
|Sold 9 May, 1921
|- align=left
| {{Template:UK-Endymion}}
|[[Earle's Shipbuilding]], Hull
|21 Nov, 1889
|22 Jul, 1891
|26 May, 1894
|Sold 16 Mar, 1920
|- align=left
| {{Template:UK-Gibraltar}}
|[[Robert Napier & Sons]], Glasgow
|2 Dec, 1889
|27 Apr, 1892
|1 Nov, 1894
|Sold Sep, 1923
|- align=left
| {{Template:UK-1Grafton}}
|[[Thames Ironworks, Shipbuilding and Engineering Company]], Blackwall
|1 Jan, 1890
|30 Jan, 1892
|18 Oct, 1894
|Sold 1 Jul, 1920
|- align=left
| {{Template:UK-Hawke}}
|[[Chatham Royal Dockyard]]
|17 Jun, 1889
|11 Mar, 1891
|16 May, 1893
|Torpedoed 15 Oct, 1914
|- align=left
| {{Template:UK-RoyalArthur}}
|[[Portsmouth Royal Dockyard]]
|20 Jan, 1890
|26 Feb, 1891
|2 Mar, 1893
|Sold 22 Sep, 1921
|- align=left
| {{Template:UK-StGeorge}}
|[[Earle's Shipbuilding]], Hull
|23 Apr, 1890
|23 Jun, 1892
|25 Oct, 1894
|Sold 1 Jul, 1920
|- align=left
| {{Template:UK-Theseus}}
|[[Thames Ironworks, Shipbuilding and Engineering Company]], Blackwall
|16 Jul, 1890
|8 Sep, 1892
|14 Jan, 1896
|Sold 1921
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==Service==
==Fire Control==
At the start of the war, the entire class seemed to embody the {{UK-CS|10}}, operating as the Northern Patrol as part of Third Fleet.<ref>See {{UK-CS|10}} for details.</ref>
 
===Rangefinders===


===Gunnery Control===
==Construction==
{{UK-Edgar}}, {{UK-Hawke}}, {{UK-Theseus}}, {{UK-1Grafton}} and {{UK-Endymion}} were unsheathed.  The others were sheathed.  {{UK-RoyalArthur}} and {{UK-1Crescent}} featured a forecastle absent on the other vessels.{{PQDNO1904|p. 209}}


====Control Positions====
==Armament==
===Guns===
* two 9.2-in Mark VI guns
* ten Q.F. 6-in guns
* twelve Q.F. 6-pdr guns


====Control Groups====
In late 1903, there was a lively consideration of altering the armament of the cruisers of the [[Blake Class Cruiser (1889)|''Blake'']] and ''Edgar'' classes, sparked by unfavourable comparisons to French cruisers.  All ships were to have the four 6-in guns on the main deck removed and have the six on the upper deck replaced by Mark VII weapons in 6-inch casemate armour with 0.5-inch tops.  {{UK-RoyalArthur}} and {{UK-1Crescent}} were to further replace their 9.2-in guns with Mark X weapons, mounted as in {{UK-Cressy}}, and to replace the two 6-in Q.F. guns on the forecastle with 6-in Mark VII guns.  However, on Christmas Eve, it was decided that no action was to be taken.{{PQDNO1904|pp. 206-211}}


===Directors===
===Other Weapons===


====Main Battery====
Prior to [[Small Arms and Edged Weapons (Royal Navy)|reductions in such provisions enacted in mid-1903]], the ships had been allowed 166 cutlasses.{{PQDNO1904|pp. 249-253}}


====Secondary Battery====
===Torpedoes===
* two 14-in Mark V D<sub>2</sub> overhead tubes, unprotected, trainable from 10 degrees abaft to 70 degrees ahead of the beam.{{ARTS1891|p. 39}}


===Torpedo Control===
Wikipedia claims these ships had four tubes.  This may be because they also had 18-in tubes, as outlined in a 1909 primary source:{{UKTorpM1909III|p. 265}}{{INF}}
* two 18-in submerged tubes on broadside forward, depressed three degrees and bearing abeam;  axis of tube was 6 foot 6 inches below load water line and 1 feet 6 inches above deck.


===Transmitting Stations===
-->
===Dreyer Table===
===Dreyer Table===
These ships had no fire control tables.<ref>absent from list in ''Handbook of Capt. F.C. Dreyer's Fire Control Tables'', p. 3.</ref>
These ships had no fire control tables.{{DreyerH|p. 3}}


===Fire Control Instruments===
==Radio==
By the end of 1901 or soon after,{{ARTS1901|pp. 111-112}}
* {{UK-Edgar}} and {{UK-Hawke}} in reserve were fitted to receive a W/T set
* {{UK-Gibraltar}} at the Cape was fitted to receive a W/T set
* {{UK-Theseus}} had a Jackson set in the Mediterranean
* {{UK-Endymion}} had a Jackson set with the [[China Squadron(Royal Navy)|China Squadron]]
* {{UK-StGeorge}} had a Marconi in the {{UK-CS}}


==Radio==
==Alterations==
By the end of 1901 or soon after,<ref>''Annual Report of the Torpedo School, 1901'', pp. 111-112.</ref>
In October 1914, the eight remaining ships were each to be given seven Pattern 1582 Electric Radiators to warm cabins whose stoves could not be used for heating them.{{AWO1914|512 of 16 Oct, 1914}}
* ''Edgar'' and ''Hawke'' in reserve were fitted to receive a W/T set
* ''Gibraltar'' at the Cape was fitted to receive a W/T set
* ''Theseus'' had a Jackson set in the Mediterranean
* ''Endymion'' had a Jackson set with the [[China Squadron(Royal Navy)|China Squadron]]
* ''St. George'' had a Marconi in the [[Cruiser Squadron (Royal Navy)|Cruiser Squadron]]


==See Also==
==See Also==
{{refbegin}}
{{WP|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_class_cruiser}}
{{WP|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_class_cruiser}}
{{refend}}


==Footnotes==
==Footnotes==
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*{{BibBrooksDreadnoughtGunnery}}
*{{BrooksDGBJ}}
*{{DirectorFiringH1917}}
*{{DirectorH}}
*{{DreyerTableH1918}}
*{{DreyerH}}
{{refend}}
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Latest revision as of 17:20, 9 April 2018

The nine protected cruisers of the Edgar Class were completed between 1893 and 1896. They were occasionally referred to as the Crescent Class.

Service

At the start of the war, the entire class seemed to embody the Tenth Cruiser Squadron, operating as the Northern Patrol as part of Third Fleet.[1]

Construction

Edgar, Hawke, Theseus, Grafton and Endymion were unsheathed. The others were sheathed. Royal Arthur and Crescent featured a forecastle absent on the other vessels.[2]

Armament

Guns

  • two 9.2-in Mark VI guns
  • ten Q.F. 6-in guns
  • twelve Q.F. 6-pdr guns

In late 1903, there was a lively consideration of altering the armament of the cruisers of the Blake and Edgar classes, sparked by unfavourable comparisons to French cruisers. All ships were to have the four 6-in guns on the main deck removed and have the six on the upper deck replaced by Mark VII weapons in 6-inch casemate armour with 0.5-inch tops. Royal Arthur and Crescent were to further replace their 9.2-in guns with Mark X weapons, mounted as in Cressy, and to replace the two 6-in Q.F. guns on the forecastle with 6-in Mark VII guns. However, on Christmas Eve, it was decided that no action was to be taken.[3]

Other Weapons

Prior to reductions in such provisions enacted in mid-1903, the ships had been allowed 166 cutlasses.[4]

Torpedoes

  • two 14-in Mark V D2 overhead tubes, unprotected, trainable from 10 degrees abaft to 70 degrees ahead of the beam.[5]

Wikipedia claims these ships had four tubes. This may be because they also had 18-in tubes, as outlined in a 1909 primary source:[6][Inference]

  • two 18-in submerged tubes on broadside forward, depressed three degrees and bearing abeam; axis of tube was 6 foot 6 inches below load water line and 1 feet 6 inches above deck.

Dreyer Table

These ships had no fire control tables.[7]

Radio

By the end of 1901 or soon after,[8]

Alterations

In October 1914, the eight remaining ships were each to be given seven Pattern 1582 Electric Radiators to warm cabins whose stoves could not be used for heating them.[9]

See Also

Footnotes

  1. See Tenth Cruiser Squadron for details.
  2. Principal Questions Dealt with by the Director of Naval Ordnance, 1904. p. 209.
  3. Principal Questions Dealt with by the Director of Naval Ordnance, 1904. pp. 206-211.
  4. Principal Questions Dealt with by the Director of Naval Ordnance, 1904. pp. 249-253.
  5. Annual Report of the Torpedo School, 1891. p. 39.
  6. Torpedo Manual, Vol. III, 1909. p. 265.
  7. Handbook of Captain F. C. Dreyer's Fire Control Tables, 1918. p. 3.
  8. Annual Report of the Torpedo School, 1901. pp. 111-112.
  9. Admiralty Weekly Order No. 512 of 16 Oct, 1914.

Bibliography

  • Admiralty, Gunnery Branch (1914). Handbook for Fire Control Instruments, 1914. G. 01627/14. C.B. 1030. Copy 1235 at The National Archives. ADM 186/191.
  • Brooks, John (2005). Dreadnought Gunnery and the Battle of Jutland: The Question of Fire Control. Oxon: Routledge. ISBN 0714657026. (on Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk).
  • Admiralty, Gunnery Branch (1917). The Director Firing Handbook. O.U. 6125 (late C.B. 1259). Copy No. 322 at The National Archives. ADM 186/227.
  • Admiralty, Gunnery Branch (1918). Handbook of Captain F. C. Dreyer's Fire Control Tables, 1918. C.B. 1456. Copy No. 10 at Admiralty Library, Portsmouth, United Kingdom.


Edgar Class First Class Protected Cruiser
Crescent Edgar Endymion Gibraltar Grafton
  Hawke Royal Arthur St. George Theseus  
<– Blake Class Major Cruisers (UK) Powerful Class –>